Thursday, December 22, 2011

What the Hell is Jenny Beth Thinking?



Word is that Jenny Beth Martin of the Tea Party Patriots is steering the umbrella organization into co-sponsoring a GOP presidential debate with the Southern Republican Leadership Conference…on CNN. WTF?!!

Uh...for anyone who’s conveniently forgotten, the tea party began as a reaction to the crappy job the GOP was doing representing the interests of the taxpayers. Playing footsie with them corrupts our roll as a platform for ALL taxpayers.

And who in their right mind wants to see ANOTHER debate? Makes TPP look even more out of touch that the Republican Party.

Jenny Beth, take a vacation from all those trips to DC…the Potomac is polluting your judgment.

16 comments:

Debbie Dooley said...

You know Sarah, you really should get your facts straight before you post untrue statements like this one. Not sure where you got your information but you should really start questioning your source.Jenny Beth is not steering Tea Party Patriots into the debate with CNN and the SRLC. This was thoroughly discussed with local coordinators on a Monday night call and they voted to move forward with the debate. Jenny Beth then presented it to the Tea Party Patriots Board of Directors and we approved the plan.

I, for one, believe in being of the dialogue and process and it serves no purpose to just ignore the GOP. TPP will have just as much influence in the debate as the SRLC.

Here in Georgia, our activists became involved in their local GOP. We encouarged them to and also held training sessions teaching them how become influential in their local party. In May, our activists organized for the Georgia GOP convention and elected our candidate as Georgia GOP Chair over the desires of the RINO Governor that pulled out all the stops to campaign for her. In fact, he was booed offstage at the convention when he campaigned on behalf of his candidate. The Georgia GOP did not take over the tea party, we took over the Georgia GOP. There was a scientific poll released a month ago that showed 80% of the Republicans in Georgia indentified with the tea party movement. We regulary meet with the Republican Georgia Senate Majority Leader to discuss legislation. Many state legislators reacho ut to us to find out how we feel about legislation. We have successfully killed 3 pieces of bad legislation that the Republican Governor and Republican Speaker of the House wanted passed. We were able to stop it from even being bought to a vote in the House.

We plan on introducing tough ethics legislation this upcoming legislative session and it has a great chance at passage.
We don't hesitate to call out RINOs and plan on primarying many of them. We have not compromised our principles in any way and have influenced many long time activists to see things our way.

We did not accomplish this by ignoring the GOP..

SarahB said...

Debbie, if the greater Tea Party Patriots community wants to walk arm in arm with the GOP instead of staying indepenedent, then I want no part of TPP anymore. I'm sick of the excuses out of the Board. You've all spent way too much time in Washington and have forgotten that this movement is supposed to be an independed platform for ALL taxpayers to advocate for our interested. Get to friendly with the GOP and you'll forget how to swat them in the nose. We got a hell of a lot done in 2010 being outside the beltway. We become irrelevent when we get seduced into it.

SarahB said...

I tell you what, Debbie. I'd be happy to re-title the piece, "What the Hell is the Board of Directors at Tea Party Patriots Thinking."

Debbie Dooley said...

Sarah, the last time I have been to D.C. was almost a year ago. I can tell you that the tea party groups in Georgia fully support the debate and the activists that I have spoken with in surrounding states do as well. As far as getting too friendly with the GOP and forgetting how to swat them in the nose , why not go to the Atlanta Journal Constution's web site and do a search for my name and just find out how many times I have publicly been at odds with GOP elected officials and I can assure you it is not just swatting them in the nose. If the Georgia Governor, Lt. Governor and Georgia Speaker of the House had a Nixon type "enemies list", I can promise that I would be number one on their list.. Sometimes in order to be successful, you have to engage in "hand to hand" combat up close..

Maybe you should re-think your "the whole world revolves around me"
attitude and realize that just because you and some groups in California think a certain way, then all groups feel that way in all states. I can assure you that is not true.

Debbie Dooley said...

Just for the record, before we take a position or take on project within Georgia, we poll our activists and if 70% - 75% agree with a project, we take take project on.

We encourage our activists to become activist with the political party of their choice. In Georgia, the GOP control state government so 95% of our activists wanted to take over the GOP in Georgia so we held training sessions to instruct them what needed to be done. Our activists choice to reform the GOP instead of forming a 3rd party because we could have an immediate influence and we have been very successful but are still a very loud squeaky wheel at times. Every state is different so activists have to do what is best for their state.

Debbie Dooley said...

Just for the record, before we take a position or take on project within Georgia, we poll our activists and if 70% - 75% agree with a project, we take take project on.

We encourage our activists to become activist with the political party of their choice. In Georgia, the GOP control state government so 95% of our activists wanted to take over the GOP in Georgia so we held training sessions to instruct them what needed to be done. Our activists choice to reform the GOP instead of forming a 3rd party because we could have an immediate influence and we have been very successful but are still a very loud squeaky wheel at times. Every state is different so activists have to do what is best for their state.

SarahB said...

Debbie, you're right, everyone needs to do what is best for them locally...and that is why TPP should not paint the ENTIRE teaparty into the GOP corner with unnecessary partnerships. Yes, if we want legislation passed we have to work with the elected officials we're stuck with. But we could throw our own debate...but noooo gotta team up with some good 'ol boys and brand the movement as handmaidens of the Republican Party.

Here in urban California, the Republican party is DEAD. Everyone who leans right is an independent or decline to state. Folks here HATE the GOP. So you shoot the tea party in the foot for us when you and the board go out of your way to brand us all Republicans.

You're the one who acts like the world revolves around them. Feel free to be a mouthpeice for Georgia , but stop speaking for the rest of us. You live in Conservative-vile and have no idea what it's like to fight this battle in the blue trenches. You're making it harder for us.

Debbie Dooley said...

Sarah, then work to change the GOP in California and move it in the direction you want it to go in. In other words, beat them at their own game. It can be done with the proper strategy. The GOP establishment wants you guys to stay distance and not get involved with them. They know that come general election time, they will siphon off just enough tea party activist / conservative votes to keep putting them in office. They do this by pointing out how worse the Dem would be. If you guys started showing up at local GOP meetings, it would send them in panic mode.. Take the RINOs out in the primary and start by taking over the local GOP then the state and change the direction of the GOP... I would love to talk to you about this

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SarahB said...

Debbie, I appreciate the olive branch, but you need to understand that the party really is dead in California. Thanks to prop 14, we no longer have party primaries outside the presidential, congressional and senate elections. Presidential primary is irrelevent here because we come so late in the process. Senate won't change until Feinstein or Boxer die (we had a GREAT guy run against Boxer last time, but Sarah Palin swooped in and endorsed the RINO). And now a new, corrupt redistricting process just cost us another congressional district, and has put in the fix so we will loose our 1/3 protection against tax increases.

We are a fiscally moderate and socially liberal state, and the current Republican platform and party does not appeal to Californians. Espcially urban Californians. It is the 6 urban counties that determine the outcome of ALL elections.

Obviously you really do think we're stupid. We've all done our time looking into trying to fix or reform the party here. We've been to the meetings, conventions, etc., etc., etc. I'm offended you think it never occured to us. You have no idea of what we've been doing or the level of commitment that has been exhausted. The corruption runs deep in the GOP here and it is a waste of time to engage them with the other battles we have to fight. We are a generation from 'fixing' the party here.

The only realy vehicle we have for change is the citizen initiative process. It is a labor intensive, all hands on deck, expensive commitment that takes extrodinary coordination across our massive state. And that is where most of our energy goes. We are very close to qualifying a measure to repeal the Dream Act...which will have a profound effect on the state's bottom line. And we're gearing up for others.

Locally we are working on pention reform measures and trying to get Carl DeMaio elected Mayor. He's a consistent fiscal hawk, but openly gay, so the GOP hates him. It would be a huge coup for the tea party movement nationwide to see the fifth largest city in America elect a Gay Republican to drag it out of debt and corruption.

In other words, we know our state and the GOP here all too well. Don't assume we are ignorant, or lazy, or need help to figure out what our strategy should be here. When we have tea party victories here (like defeating prop 1A in a landslide), it makes national news and shakes the left to it's core. Its a big responsibility and we take it seriously.

So maybe we're not doing it the Georgia way, but by the same token, we won't tell you to do it the California way.

It all comes back to the same point, when TPP affiliates the tea party movement with the GOP in unnecessary ways, it hurts us here, badly.

Mutnodjmet said...

Debbie: The depth of your ignorance about the corruption of the local and state GOP is staggering. You can start here to educate yourself:

http://templeofmut.wordpress.com/2011/02/07/palin-and-krvaric-the-gop-at-300-am/

Why don't you just go back and craft another lame, top-down, "Steadfast Patriot" email that is nothing more than a weak cover for funding the upper tier of Tea Party Patriots? Meanwhile, the real citizen activists will be doing the work the politically connected elites, which now seems to include yourself, are failing to do.

tank said...

dear Debbie:
Being a conservative in Gerogia is kinda like being a conservative here in Indiana; its practically a given.

But then, Ive been to Califorbnia, Where "The Governator" which wouldnt even be considered a republican in my state, much less a conservative, was heralded as strongly both by their standards. In regions where the wild dogs are killing people, they [i]still[/i] arent allowed to harm the dogs ( :roll: ) What my Aunt there sends me of local stories makes Arlen Specter seem the epitome of "Honorable GOP integrity"

Speak for yourself, and stop imagining that the TEA PArty is [i]supposed[/i] to be national. You want to be a lobbyist, then apply for the job, stop trying to ruin my attempts to take back my coutry from the snakes that destroyed it

SarahB said...

Well said Tank and Goddess!

Dean said...

Debbie, I know Sarah personally so when I think of the highly motivated, successful and devoted mother of two, husband of a police officer and one of the lionesses of the San Diego tea party movement and also possessing of an irrepresible wit and compassion for others that Sarah is/does, "the world revolves around me" is pretty far down the... no wait, it's no where close to being on the list.

Perhaps you would be better served checking your personal assesments at the door.

Thanks.

SarahB said...

Dean, I'm speechless. Thank you!

Kay said...

From what I have heard, the people on the Monday night call were asked if they thought the TPP should sponsor a debate; not co-sponsor a debate with a network and Republicans. If so, it is misleading to write that the Monday night participants agreed to this debate. TPP could have their own debate or have their portion of the debate clearly delineated and TPP controlled. They should not give “our name” to something we have little control over. Also, I think the majority of the board voted in favor of this “shared” debate.

Am I wrong in this; I thought TPP was non-partisan? If you want to become partisan please join the Tea Party Express.

Curious George said...

Perhaps the TPP National Board will reveal the financials (ALL.... since the beginning) to ease the grassroots supporters minds.

...... Nope, didn't think so :)